Jaaaaaaaaaaa. Diesmal eine sehr gute Episode dieser Serie.
KnowMe spielt 1 Gate Nexus gegen DBS’ 2 Rax in verschiedenen Varianten offensiv/defensiv gesehen und wir diskutieren etwas über Vor-/Nachteile und wer wie den Kampf nehmen muss.
Zudem einen großen Dank an DBS, der viel Insight droppte und wer ihn liken will, kann dies auf facebook.com/typedbs tun.
Viel Spaß beim Schauen!
Veröffentlicht in der Kategorie: KnowMe sucht PvT Opening, VOD
Cool!
Kommt hier eigentlich noch mal ein Post von einem der Pro Hosts oder ist das nur noch ein Gäste Blog Spot? EAS in allen Ehren, aber die Seite verspricht doch eigentlich anderes. Keep up the good work, though, Lenn.
Ich würd halt mal behaupten das Rmdx, DBS, KnowMe etc mehr Pro sind als du
und von da her stimmt die Seite wieder. Aber das liegt irgentwie an der Deutschen Mentalität immer mehr fordern bis die leute halt mal keinen bock mehr auf sowas haben naja idioten gibts überall hoffe Knowme und co machen so weiter macht sehr viel fun
Wie du evtl bemerkt hast, gabs sowas quasi nie und das wird sich vermutlich auch nicht ändern.
Das tut mir auch etwas Leid und eventuell ist die Aufmachung der Seite fehlleitend, aber eigentlich kommt ja alle 2 Wochen der Szenecast, nur momentan halt nicht, da locker 3 Wochen am Stück permanent Events waren (IEM China, IPL, MLG und nun ESWC).
Wenn die Seite irgendwann mal deutlich größer ist, rückt es in der Priorität eventuell nach vorn, aber momentan ist Content von den Toppros halt sehr selten.
Ob fehlleitend oder nicht, ich denke, hier bekommt man sicherlich den besten deutschsprachigen Content geboten, was SC2 betrifft. Und ich finde diese Videos wirklich gut, und lehrreich, zumindest für mich als Protossspieler.
Ansonsten, das Video ist wirklich super.
Was mich allerdings noch interessieren würde, wie es auf kleineren Maps aussieht, Terminus ist ja so ziemlich die größte Map, die gespielt wird, und KnowMe hat dort ja schon erhebliche Probleme den 2 Racks Push von DBS zu halten, wie sieht es denn beispielsweise auf Shattered Temple oder auch Xel Naga aus?
TOP
ohne jeden Makel
Kleine Bitte noch an KnowMe, kannst du vielleicht die Replays von den Games im Video mal hochladen?
Hey Rine oder knowme, wie steht ihr eigentlich dazu, wenn man gas scouted das AddOn der Rax mittels Pylon zu blocken? Lohnt sich das oder eher nicht? Weil wenn man umliftet holt man 10 sekunden raus bzw wenn er 2. marine baut holt man 25 sekundne raus.
Der einzige Pro wo ich sehe das er ein pylon zum addon blocken nutzt ist Sase. Allerdings bricht er den pylon wieder ab bevor er fertig wird. Ich habe das selbst praktiziert und wenn der Gegner eben nicht damit rechnet und er instant addon setzten will/wollte wie auch immer, dann isses für ihn schon nervig weil er:
a) nen Marine bauen muss
b) evtl sogar die raxx umsetzt (das beste was dir passieren kann)
ansonsten bringts eben kaum was , wenn er die raxx umsetzt hast du am meisten daraus gewonnen , weil der Terran in der Zeit weder ein addon noch Units bauen kann , das kostet eben bei Timing Pushes oder All´ins wertvolle Zeit
wichtig dabei ist den pylon nicht durchkommen zu lassen das gewastete mins , ausserdem geht das auch nicht wenn man nen Zealot in seiner Build drin hat (also während der Core gebaut wird) .
Grüße
Dave aka LunaStaR
Ein weiteres mal eine gute Folge, freu mich auf die nächste male, wo es dan eine mischung aus replays gibt die in der ladder erspielt worden sind, die analysen davon und auch was “live-gaming” ;D
Weiter so!
Super Videos, danke für die Arbeit!
Tolles Video!
Lol Bog, 1on1 Bronze
Und das obwohl er die ganze Zeit mit Pros zusammen ist. = D
Anglizismen schön und gut. Manchmal gibt es eben keine passenden deutschen Wörter, aber Begriffe wie “Knowledge droppen”… da passen mir sehr wohl auch deutsche Äquivalente ein.
Vielleicht kann man ja in Zukunft ein wenig auf solche Dinge achten-
seh ich genauso, man muss es echt nicht übertreiben.
Ansonsten aber wirklich sehr gutes Zeug, was ihr da produziert. Großes Lob, vor allem an Rine, der ja scheinbar die treibende Kraft hinter den meisten Sachen zu sein scheint.
Find ich etwas zu kurz gedacht, wenn man sich über Anglizismen ärgert, weil Sprache sich nunmal entwickelt. Als mehr und mehr hochdeustch gesprochen wurde haben sich auch andere Leute gedacht “muss das sein?” – und die Antwort lautet: Ja, es muss.
Auf Sases Stream sah ich letztens, wie er 1 Gate Nexus total locker gegen eine 2 Rax, wie von DBS gespielt, gehalten hat. Dabei hat er sogar den Nexus vor dem ersten Stalker gebaut und der Laufweg für den Terra war auch kürzer als auf Terminus. Das Micro eines koreanischen GM-Terra sollte ja wohl auch auf DBSs Niveau anzusiedeln sein.
Also eigentlich sollte das zu machen sein für Knowme, wenn Sase schon mehr Edges cutten konnte und sein Terra-Gegner in der Ladder mehr Vorteile hatte als DBS.
is hat kurz gesagt ALLLES anders, wenn du nexus vor stalker spielst. wie rine am ende sagte: die bo soll nich so gut wie möglich ggn 2rax sein sondern möglichst _ganz ok_ ggn alles
kann natürlich 2. assi lassen, keine robo bauen und dafür mehr units + gates.
sase spielte bei dem game wahrscheinlich ganz bewusst gegen 2rax. zb weil das 2. depot nich kam oder ähnliches
das ist aber trotzdem riskanter
(knowme von bruders lappy)
So und von mir auch mal Lob für die ganze Arbeit die ihr euch alle damit macht. Ich weiss genau wieviel Zeit solche community Projekte kosten und das es im schnitt eig. kaum gewürdigt wird. Deswegen nur konstruktive Posts lesen und hater Posts übersehen
Zum VoD: Allgemein sehr gut erklärt von Rine und auch DBS. KnowME sollte generell mal mehr auf das hören bzw sich bewusst machen was rine sagt
Denn wenn du es schaffst das recht schnell umzusetzten wird das schnell besser. Aber KnowME ich kann mir auch denken das es nicht einfach ist gewisse gewohnheiten abzulegen und fast instant umzusetzten , aber ich denke das wird schon^^
Ich möchte euch hier generell noch weitere möglichkeiten eröffnen wie man das 1G Nexus Build noch abändern könnte , da ich selbst von sehr viel verschiedenen Pro Protossen verschiedene builds gesehen und selbst auch probiert habe was aber auch wieder situations abhängig ist (leider).
1.) Schonmal überlegt bei 1G Nexus into 3Gate nur Zealot und sentrys zu bauen und den Stalker gänzlich wegzulassen bis du ca 6-8 Sentrys hast? Hat verschiedenen Vor- und nachteile aber ich denke der wichtigste vorteil ist das du dir mit sovielen FF`s eben viel Zeit kaufen kannst aka Terran aussperren für ne Zeit bis du genug Units rangewarped hast.
Nachteil: vs Reaper/Cloak banshees recht anfällig weil du eben keinen stalker hast und 2. das scouting ist schlechter weil du eben keinen stalker zum “poken” hast , heisst du müsstest nochmal mit Probe nachscouten.
wurde gespielt von: Grubby und hat immer sehr gut geklappt vor allem gegen Bio Pushes und All´ins , allerdings geht grubby direkt auf Colossus nachdem die robo fertig ist würde heissen : Immo verzicht! sehr wichtig !
2.) 1G Nexus:
du used 2 Chronoboosts im early sprich wenn dein Core fertig wird einmal auf Warpgate reasearch und einmal den ersten Stalker. Dann kämen 2 sentrys (direkt dahinter ohne pause) , Stalker , sentry , Stalker …………….. usw hat den vorteil das du recht früh genug energie für´s guardian shield hast und evtl 1-2 FF´s mehr. Aber nachteilig ist das eben gas intensiver ist , aber es geht sehr gut und ist allgemein sehr gut spielbar: Follow Build wäre dann: Robo , Robo Bay , +2 Gates + Forge
gespielt von: Hasu er spielt seine Builds immer gleich vs Terran heisst mit sehr wenig variation , aber sein build ist extrem solide und spiele ich derzeit selbst mit erfolg
Fühlt sich gut an und du bist relativ save gegen viele dinge die dich treffen könnten , aber natürlich ist auch hierbei scouting extrem wichtig.
Ich hoffe zumindest das ihr über diese möglichkeiten evtl mal nachdenkt und evtl auch mit in den nächsten Teil fliessen lasst , würde mich sehr freuen
Ansonsten macht weiter so , ich selbst verpasse wirklich keine folgen egal von was
Top Arbeit top Kommentiert .
Grüße
Dave
Frage ist natürlich, wenn das so schon knapp wird, wie solls dann gegen Shattered close posi aussehen soll.
Auf shattered close kann man nich “normal” spielen weil zu 100% ein all in des Terrans kommen wird
Der Trend im Map-Pool geht ja eindeutig weg von Maps, bei denen es klassische Close Positions gibt, und hin zu quadratischen Karten. Gerade als Toss tut das weh, aber da kann man sicherlich drauf spekulieren, dass es diese Maps in ferner Zukunft nicht mehr geben wird.
Also es tun Close Positions weh, nicht die neuen Maps…
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